What struck me most is the idea that meaning comes precisely from the limits placed on life. If time were endless, choices would lose their weight, and even love or loyalty might become temporary preferences rather than commitments. In that sense, Odysseus isn’t only choosing home over pleasure — he’s choosing a life where things actually matter because they can be lost. Mortality gives shape to meaning. Without it, even paradise might slowly feel empty.
Beautifully put Simon. Indeed, mortality gives shape to meaning. This is also why Tolkien describes death as a "gift," to mankind in LOTR, even envied by the immortal elves!
Tolkien takes this up as well in his two examples of immortals eschewing that state for one short life of love and companionship. The frailty and depth of humanity is held up as bit just desirable but more meaningful.
People do not understand how important God as a person must be to make eternal life desirable.
I witnessed a presentation on Middle Earth and the presentation of the Gospel into the Greek Speaking world of the first century.
Given by the head of the The Torrey Honors Institute at BIOLA University.
The thrust was Odysseus crying (the first man of tears in literature) on the shores of adult Disneyland, living with a Goddess. He knew the Goddess would go on her period and lash out, eternally. Being eternal with her was no blessing.
He longed for Penelope, his wife.
Then they met Hercules in hell, who said it was better to be a sheep herder in middle earth than a jibbering shade in hades.
In the Greek world Heaven was not a place for men because the Gods were a terror to live with. Nor was hell a place for men.
They were caught hanging between heaven and hell,
in MIDDLE EARTH 🌍.
Then the God whose character was worth living with, Jesus. Was presented to that world.
I think you’re correct. There’s an emphasis that immortality is unnatural to man, and therefore, an obstacle that blocks them from reaching their life’s purpose.
We get these sense that life’s meaning isn’t “Earthly paradise,” but a sense of home that’s perhaps fostered by familial love and duty to tending to one’s kin
What struck me most is the idea that meaning comes precisely from the limits placed on life. If time were endless, choices would lose their weight, and even love or loyalty might become temporary preferences rather than commitments. In that sense, Odysseus isn’t only choosing home over pleasure — he’s choosing a life where things actually matter because they can be lost. Mortality gives shape to meaning. Without it, even paradise might slowly feel empty.
Beautifully put Simon. Indeed, mortality gives shape to meaning. This is also why Tolkien describes death as a "gift," to mankind in LOTR, even envied by the immortal elves!
Tolkien takes this up as well in his two examples of immortals eschewing that state for one short life of love and companionship. The frailty and depth of humanity is held up as bit just desirable but more meaningful.
Homer…. Epic
People do not understand how important God as a person must be to make eternal life desirable.
I witnessed a presentation on Middle Earth and the presentation of the Gospel into the Greek Speaking world of the first century.
Given by the head of the The Torrey Honors Institute at BIOLA University.
The thrust was Odysseus crying (the first man of tears in literature) on the shores of adult Disneyland, living with a Goddess. He knew the Goddess would go on her period and lash out, eternally. Being eternal with her was no blessing.
He longed for Penelope, his wife.
Then they met Hercules in hell, who said it was better to be a sheep herder in middle earth than a jibbering shade in hades.
In the Greek world Heaven was not a place for men because the Gods were a terror to live with. Nor was hell a place for men.
They were caught hanging between heaven and hell,
in MIDDLE EARTH 🌍.
Then the God whose character was worth living with, Jesus. Was presented to that world.
The True, The Good, and the Beautiful.
I think you’re correct. There’s an emphasis that immortality is unnatural to man, and therefore, an obstacle that blocks them from reaching their life’s purpose.
We get these sense that life’s meaning isn’t “Earthly paradise,” but a sense of home that’s perhaps fostered by familial love and duty to tending to one’s kin